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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1864
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Posted - 2013.02.28 07:10:00 -
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Rex Aparte wrote:Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check
Whines when said corp uses game mechanics to get out of a wardec they don't want to be in - check
Even calls it an exploit and wants game changed so corps that don't want to be at war get "trapped" for at least a week. - check
I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar.
If they are indeed botters, petition them, wardeccing them does nothing to help your cause.
This guy thinks wardecs have anything to do with anything other then one corp going to war with another.
You're not exempt because you're a miner.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1865
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Posted - 2013.02.28 07:40:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:EI Digin wrote:Suicide ganking is basically a gigantic artificial hoop that players have to jump through in order to get any sort of reaction out of someone who you don't like, for legitimate reasons or not. It's a huge undertaking if you want to start suicide ganking someone, especially if you are a player who doesn't want to live in lowsec or nullsec, a poor player, or a new player. You do get a reaction out of them when you declare war and they then surrender to you. I am coming under the impression that it is something specific you want them to do, like you want them to fail at something, because you failed at it and you now hate them for it. Perhaps you want them to hate you back. If so then know that some players will always win the "hating game", because they just never hate another player and it is only a game to them, but they will only hate the game and themselves for failing at it. You just cannot get any reaction out of anyone just because you want them to.
It's not surrender when you disband your corp due to a wardec. It's exploitation of the NPC corps.
If disbanding the corp to get out of war was the intended method of surrender, there wouldn't be an actual option to surrender and high sec wouldn't be the only place this happens on a regular basis.
This seems to be the point some of you are neglecting, and I would guess because most of you understand this and won't admit to it because your afraid CCP would actually do something about it.
Every person the leaves a player run corp should be losing something significant. If those miners actually lost something, like the ability to mine just as well as before, they wouldn't disband corps as often.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:36:00 -
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People should be able to drop corp to get out of war, I do agree with that.
That isn't the problem though.
It's not losing anything when you do that I have an issue with.
You should gain something worth losing when you join a player run corp; not have nothing to lose by dropping it. The only hard thing about owning a PoS is getting the standin to put one up, and then you only need one character with the standing and any of your others can own the PoS.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1876
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:42:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:It's not losing anything when you do that I have an issue with. HTFU.
Buddy, the only person here who needs to "HTFU" is the guy insisting that the NPC corps are there for you to avoid a wardec, YOU.
I lose something if I drop corp, pretty much everyone not in high sec does.
You on the other hand are a member of a one man corp, in a one corp alliance.
You're in no position to tell other to HTFU.
How about you learn to ******* play.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1876
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:43:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:
Get out of high-sec. It just is not the fault of high-sec players when they do not want to fight, but it is your own when you can always go into low- or null-sec and fight your wars there, free from all CONCORD fees, and where players want you to come and to fight.
GTFO
Wardecs are not intended to be done only in low and null, where they're the least improtant. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1877
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:22:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:[quote=Natsett Amuinn]Buddy, the only person here who needs to "HTFU" is the guy insisting that the NPC corps are there for you to avoid a wardec, ....
Your logic is beginning to fall apart. NPC corps have always been there to avoid war decs.
No ****. I agreed with you!
I even said that the problem isn't being able to drop your corp to avoid a wardec.
The problem is having nothing to lose when you drop from your corp in high sec. You're response is to HTFU.
This is a fact. Not a guy who flies around in null sec, with a freighter loaded with billions in cargo, needing to HTFU.
CCP wants you to play in a player run corp, and they want you to have a reason to deal with a wardec. I shouldn't even have to point this **** out anymore, everyone is aware of the conversation they had with the CSM's by now.
Instead of being a ****** EVE player and telling people wardecs don't belong in high sec, why don't you actually offer ideas on ways they can get players into corporations and stay there when they'res a war.
The majority of all industry is done in high sec. WTF is wrong with you people that think just because we do industry, we have no need or desire for war. You take war to where your enemy lives, in the case of every industrial and especially high sec indy corps, that's high sec.
The hell do I want to wardec a PvP or mission running corp for if I'm an industrial. It's the other industrialists that are my enemy, they're the ones who take profit from me.
Shame on you.
Quit trying to make my playstyle worse! Not every industrialist is a coward, afraid to get blown up, or god forbid actually shoot someone out of need.
This is EVE goddamn it.
We resolve disputes by blowing people up, or reducing their ability to operate. War allows me to do that, but not if they can drop to the NPC corp and continue to function as well.
Industrialists are not exempt.
There just need to be a reason. There currently isn't one. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:06:00 -
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No they won't change that.
They'll make it more worthwhile to be in a player corp. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2013.03.01 12:02:00 -
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Whitehound appears to be a member of a small group of people who think that the only pvp in high sec should be ganking.
Instead of people going to war with each other and having reasons to fight, he'd rather the only people who do pvp in high sec be gankers as apposed to people who have legitemate reason to go to war, like industrialists. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2013.03.01 12:37:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Whitehound appears to be a member of a small group of people who think that the only pvp in high sec should be ganking.
Instead of people going to war with each other and having reasons to fight, he'd rather the only people who do pvp in high sec be gankers as apposed to people who have legitemate reason to go to war, like industrialists. As if one could not fight wars in high-sec any more. Cry more. Cry until you can cry no more. Please, start now and never stop.
The extreme arguements have no merit.
Everyone is aware that the dropping corp when there's a wardec is a real thing that is practices more then just occasionally. It's become the standard method of operating in high sec.
Few people are saying you shouldn't be able to drop to the NPC corp, I'm not even one of them.
As an industrialist you have no real point in joining a player run corp, anywhere for the most part. PoS's aren't needed for the vast majority of industrialist in EVE, and that's only thing you can get as an industrialist; even then it's not something you need to join a corp for, it's something you start a one man corp to run.
Wars are largely meaningless in high sec, and CCP doesn't intend them to be. This is a fact everyone is aware of after the last CSM minutes were released and everyone read the pages worth of conversation about how they could improve high sec wardecs.
You seem to be the only person who thinks that everything is ok as it is, and keeps saying that it shold stay as is.
Telling people that you shouldn't be doing warfare in high sec is just irresponsible. High sec isn't exempt, neither are industrialist, and industrialists are the ones that should be benefiting most from wars in high sec.
The problem isn't "the guy looking for targets" vs the industrial corp. The problem is one industrial corporations ability to use a wardec in the place where the bulk of all industry occurs, to limit the ability of another industrial corporation to outperform them.
I personally do not give a **** about giving the guys in high sec who want easier targets, access to easier targets. I want wardecs and high sec player run corps to be fixed so that I as an industrialist can use the tools that CCP has given me to be a better industrialist then you.
Bounties and wardecs are largely useless when it's mostly small corps, and corporations with policies to drop corp when there's a war.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1883
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Posted - 2013.03.01 12:50:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:The problem is one industrial corporations ability to use a wardec in the place where the bulk of all industry occurs, to limit the ability of another industrial corporation to outperform them. Please, tell me what is it this one corporation can do, but no other can!
So you're just a troll?
You know goddmaned well that as an industrialist every other person that builds the same items you build is a competitor and reducing your profits.
Edit: I'm beginning to seee what you're doing.
Troll enough, bait enough, and eventually the thread just gets locked. |
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